Hope Cahill a Lucian?

There is a prominent theory going around amongst many clue hunters. Unlike other theories, I can definitely see why a strong, experienced clue hunter would believe this. It does in fact seem very likely, but for it to be true, there would a contradiction among information.

Dan and Amy’s Branch

People (especially me) are anxious to find out Dan and Amy’s branch. Why? Because if we know that, then the rest of the story basically falls right into place.

There are definitely a lot of things to take into consideration when forming your opinion, especially because almost anything could be considered a hint. As I’ve mentioned before, there are false leads, and there are real leads. It’s our job here to figure out which are true.

Hope Cahill’s Branch

One of the many leads which may tell us who the siblings owe their allegiance to is the question of their mother’s branch.

It Wouldn’t Help Us that Much

In my opinion, although it would help a lot, knowing her branch still wouldn’t tell us for sure what Dan and Amy’s is.

The reason for that is because take for example Gideon and Olivia Cahill (this is an example that I use a lot!). They had five kids, but for now we’ll just focus on the known four: Katherine (Ekaterina), Jane (Janus), Luke (Lucian), and Thomas (Tomas). They all founded the branches in parenthesis. Therefore they and their parents all belonged to different branches (something that I’ll look more into later) .

Another example that I like to use is that in Gordon Korman’s live webcast for book two, he says that he and his son are of different branches (Gordon is a Janus while his son is a Lucian). When asked the question if it’s possible that Dan and Amy are of different branches, he responded with the visibly cautious answer that anything is possible. This means to me that people who are related don’t have to be in the same branch. And, if you think about it, as Gordon also mentioned, we’re actually all related. Imagine how many million kids at the moment are part of your family at this moment, and how much that number will decrease when the hunt is officially over.

Okay, So What am I Talking About?

As you can tell, I have a tendency to ramble on and on and on. If you’ve made it through all the above content, you’re probably wondering what in the world am I talking about?

Is Hope Cahill a Lucian?

Okay, so what these people believe is that Hope Cahill belongs to the Lucian branch. I can remember reading book one and taking it for granted that she was part in that clan. Probably because there was so much focus on the Lucian’s and the puzzle that Dan solved. Of course, we’ve come a long way since then, and here’s what fuels the argument at this point:

On a card (Scholastic would probably sue me if I showed it here, so I’m not going to do that), it shows instant messaging between Alistair and Hope. On the desktop, there is a folder called “Lucian Codes.” This could mean that she’s a Madrigal, who managed to hack into the Lucian system, but what about the other branches?

In another card, there is a message from Grace to Hope where Grace says that Lucian’s solve the code especially quickly.

Why this is Not the Case

While that evidence is compelling, and she may have been a Lucian at one point, or at least pretended to be one, she certainly wasn’t at the end of her life.

The reason for this is that when the fire was set to her and her husband’s lives, Isabel Kabra was the one who instituted it. She would obviously not risk losing valuable agents. What is likely is that either Hope had hacked the system or started out as a Lucian but then took the clues for themselves. We all know that they were hiding things from them, certainly.

So, even if she was a Lucian by heritage, she wasn’t by the end of her life.

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Do Grace and a Madrigal have the Same Goal?

Grace Cahill and William McIntyre Seem to Have the Same Goal in Chapter One, Book One

By now, in the time of awaiting the seventh book and to find out what Amy and Dan’s branch is, most people have forgotten all about the events of the first book. However, I have lately started to go through all the books and take notes on anything that could possibly mean anything.

One of the things which I read extremely carefully was the very first thing we read, before we even knew what the names of the main characters were: Book one, chapter one. There we meet Grace, who I consider to be one of the top two most important people in the hunt, if not the most.

I believe that the interactions between Grace and her Madrigal lawyer are a huge clue to the secret.

Did you notice how they seemed to have the same goal:

“And if they don’t succeed…” (McIntyre)

“Then it all collapses. The family, the world, all of it. Five centuries of work will have been for nothing.” (Grace)

It certainly seems that Grace and William have the same goal, and we all know that the lawyer is indeed a Madrigal.

Does this mean that Grace is a Madrigal?

Not necessarily.

I say the above because although it seems extremely likely just from that, not to mention other evidence which I am not going to get into here, that Grace is a Madrigal, there are other explanations.

  1. 1. The Madrigal’s are Masters of Disguise

As pointed out in various places (such as the card pack two handbook and card 72 prestige), the Madrigals impersonate other Cahill’s. It is possible that the real William was replaced by a Madrigal.

However, that seems extremely unlikely because of the fact that there is no proof, which is again the bar that we measure ourselves on here when searching for the clues. Although it may be an attractive idea, the chance of it being likely is, at this point, zero.

  1. 2. It has been said that Grace Did Not Owe Her Allegiance to any One Branch

I cannot remember where, and I am sorry for that and will try to find it, but someone said that Grace choose to not side with any one branch. If that is true in the way that we are interpreting it, then she cannot be a Madrigal.

However, the Madrigals aren’t officially considered a branch, so I’m not sure if that means anything.

There have been rumors that there are good and bad Madrigals, or at least perhaps ones with different views. It is possible that Grace, The Man In Black (Fiske), and William all believe in the goal of the Madrigals, but believe that there is another way to get there.

In the Madrigal Maze game, and other places, it has been said that no one outside of the Madrigals knows their purpose. If that is true, then it would mean that Grace is technically a Madrigal, as said in other places, since she and William have the same goal and in the card pack two booklet, it says:

“I warned Grace she would be punished if she went after the clues. She should have listened.”

It is also possible, though, that Grace was a mix of all three branches, something that I’ll discuss later, which would mean that she technically is part of the Madrigals.

So, what’s your opinion on this?

Aunt Beatrice’s Detective–The Man In Black?

If you read hear a lot, then you probably know that a lot of my blog posts are things that I’d filed away and was aware of but hadn’t really shared with anyone. With an introduction like that, of course this post is one of those. The subject of this 39 Clues post is who is Aunt Beatrice’s detective?

Remember when in the books, they casually slip away that Aunt Beatrice has hired a detective to find them? Well, I had always thought that it was the Man In Black, otherwise known as Fiske Cahill. I will not get into it here, but a page about why this is so is under construction at the moment. Fiske was the sister of Grace and Beatrice, and he mysteriously disappeared in the 1960’s. He is the Man In Black.

Since the Man In Black is a Madrigal, he would obviously make the perfect detective, especially since he is very closely related to Beatrice. However, I think that she hired a detective of a different purpose; to reach a goal. The goal is not to find Amy and Dan, but we all know from e-mails in our 39 Clues inbox and cards that the Madrigals need the Cahill siblings to follow a certain path. Beatrice might have actually wanted Amy and Dan to go for the hunt, and that is why she provoked them into doing it, although on the outside it looked like she was persuading them not to.

This may or may not be true, but I think that the evidence certainly increases in the following quote for book eight by Gordon Korman (believed to have the title of The Sacred Found, although there is no proof):

“As the race to find the 39 Clues builds to its explosive finish, Amy and Dan must steal a Clue guarded by thousands of the world’s best soldiers. With their enemies closing in, the siblings are separated. Together, they almost have a chance, but alone…Could the search for this Clue spell the end of Amy and Dan? And while they are separated, could their Aunt Beatrice’s detective find them?”

This sounds very flimsy, and there is no grounds that this excerpt is true, although there is a similar one from Amazon, just without the part about the detective. It’s just a guess, although it sounds like it could be likely, or at least something similar.

The Man In Black has had multiple chances to capture them, but it’s obvious that the Madrigals are waiting, from evidence that again, I’ll get into in other places.

There is not sufficient evidence, although it seems the most likely since there really are no other candidates. So, what do you think?

Aunt Beatrice's Detective–The Man In Black?

If you read hear a lot, then you probably know that a lot of my blog posts are things that I’d filed away and was aware of but hadn’t really shared with anyone. With an introduction like that, of course this post is one of those. The subject of this 39 Clues post is who is Aunt Beatrice’s detective?

Remember when in the books, they casually slip away that Aunt Beatrice has hired a detective to find them? Well, I had always thought that it was the Man In Black, otherwise known as Fiske Cahill. I will not get into it here, but a page about why this is so is under construction at the moment. Fiske was the sister of Grace and Beatrice, and he mysteriously disappeared in the 1960’s. He is the Man In Black.

Since the Man In Black is a Madrigal, he would obviously make the perfect detective, especially since he is very closely related to Beatrice. However, I think that she hired a detective of a different purpose; to reach a goal. The goal is not to find Amy and Dan, but we all know from e-mails in our 39 Clues inbox and cards that the Madrigals need the Cahill siblings to follow a certain path. Beatrice might have actually wanted Amy and Dan to go for the hunt, and that is why she provoked them into doing it, although on the outside it looked like she was persuading them not to.

This may or may not be true, but I think that the evidence certainly increases in the following quote for book eight by Gordon Korman (believed to have the title of The Sacred Found, although there is no proof):

“As the race to find the 39 Clues builds to its explosive finish, Amy and Dan must steal a Clue guarded by thousands of the world’s best soldiers. With their enemies closing in, the siblings are separated. Together, they almost have a chance, but alone…Could the search for this Clue spell the end of Amy and Dan? And while they are separated, could their Aunt Beatrice’s detective find them?”

This sounds very flimsy, and there is no grounds that this excerpt is true, although there is a similar one from Amazon, just without the part about the detective. It’s just a guess, although it sounds like it could be likely, or at least something similar.

The Man In Black has had multiple chances to capture them, but it’s obvious that the Madrigals are waiting, from evidence that again, I’ll get into in other places.

There is not sufficient evidence, although it seems the most likely since there really are no other candidates. So, what do you think?

Arthur Trent not a Cahill?

This post is not infinitely important, but as with a lot of my content, it is just to dispel myths with common sense. And really, common sense is the key to figuring out The 39 Clues, because a lot of ideas get into people’s head which they then perceive to be fact, which has no common sense whatsoever.

This is another post to get those out of your mind, and today the myth is that many people believe that Arthur Trent is not a Cahill. When I first heard that rumor, I was skeptical. I looked into it on the web and found no evidence at all. Here are the two possible scenarios:

  1. It’s crazy

I think that this is what is most likely to be possible. Now, I’m not dogging the people who believe this, because once a rumor gets started, people usually blindly assume that’s its true and spread it around. The more people saying it, the more true it becomes.

It simply doesn’t make sense, unless point two is correct. Why would Hope let an outsider into her exclusive clan? It is also proven that they searched for the clues together. The prospect of a non-Cahill searching for the clues just doesn’t seem believable to me. Please tell me if I’m missing something.

2. There’s another branch of the Cahill family which we don’t know about

This is very possible, and I actual do believe it to some extent, although it is just a hunch, and there is no concrete evidence behind it. However, and this is just my belief, there are many out there, that Madeline, the founder of the Madrigal Branch, another daughter of Olivia Cahill, which I’ll talk in more detail about on the site part of this site had a daughter, who started another branch. I actually know the name of the believed branch, but I don’t want to throw you off track with incorrect information.

It’s possible that Olivia cheated on Gideon, so the Madrigal’s are only half related to the Cahills. That would make a lot of sense since Amy, Dan, Grace, Fiske, etc. are the only one’s who still bear the name Cahill, and that may mean that they are disconnected from the other part of the family in some way.

So, I really don’t know. There isn’t any proof that I can see, but that’s just one pair of eyes.

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